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« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2010, 06:10:09 AM »

Blueberry,
Attachment is not neutral, but because your neutral karma has opened for that day, so since things are pretty moderate hence you can develop more attachment thinking its alright to do so.  For example , that day you develop more attachment towards your money or your hobby.
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« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2010, 06:31:42 AM »

After a conversation with Ngeow , i have changed my position on the probability of neutral karma.

Now I think neutral karma we create a lot of that all the time. Coz most of the time, especially mundane actions , cooking, washing clothes, eating my lunch, sleeping , watching tv, most of the time we do it without a good or bad motivation . Its neutral hence we create neutral karma almost all the time .

Hence Rinpoche has always asked us every moment whatever we do , just change our motivation do whatever we do with a positive motivation , eating , sleeping ,washing my car, gardening etc.

This that means even though we live very average / moderate lives, chances are we will most likely go down to the lower realms .

 
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« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2010, 07:19:24 AM »

After a conversation with Ngeow , i have changed my position on the probability of neutral karma.

Now I think neutral karma we create a lot of that all the time. Coz most of the time, especially mundane actions , cooking, washing clothes, eating my lunch, sleeping , watching tv, most of the time we do it without a good or bad motivation . Its neutral hence we create neutral karma almost all the time .

Hence Rinpoche has always asked us every moment whatever we do , just change our motivation do whatever we do with a positive motivation , eating , sleeping ,washing my car, gardening etc.

This that means even though we live very average / moderate lives, chances are we will most likely go down to the lower realms .

 


This is great Wai Meng..

Your posting answered my questions all these times!
I thought i was "safe" enough with just living my "flat" or "simple" life like robot, i thought its "ok" enough as long as i dont hv bad intention,  but now i got this understanding...
Developing good motivation in whatever my daily actions is the answer! 
THANKS so much!!
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« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2010, 02:21:22 AM »

Updated link again
http://www.kechara.com/support/resources/recommended-reads/tsem-tulku-rinpoches-karma-chart/
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« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2010, 12:46:33 PM »

Hey Wai Meng,

Sometimes I get quite confused by this karma malarkey...

On the one hand, we are told, "If you cannot help, at least do no harm", which - in my understanding - seems to imply that "neutral" karma isn't really detrimental to future causes. On the other hand, there's the idea that negative karma is actually better than neutral karma, since negative karma might at least inspire us through results to make a change for the better, whereas neutral karma simply has us plodding along.

I think the idea of turning our motivation into something more positive is an interesting one. Some might ask, "How is it possible to do the dishes with a positive motivation?!" Of course, this can be done with a simple thought: "I will do these dishes in order to save someone else from having to do the chore." I'm sure other mundane activities could be performed with similar thoughts in mind, resulting in positive motivation.

From my experience, in doing chores in this way, it actually increases your willingness to do things for others. As the Dalai Lama has said, we can develop a selfish compassion, which means we can "fulfill our own self interest by leading a compassionate way of life." I've heard stories told by Ajahn Jayasaro about monks who mend the robes of other monks in secret, doing deeds out of compassion, leading to the accumulation of merti and so on.

Although, according to the Lamrim, we're all certainly heading for the lower realms due to the cumulative non-virtuous actions and ignorance we've buit up over the years, so in any case, it's a goat's life for me next time round whatever I do Cheesy Still, everything's impermanent, so why worry - it' all turns out well in the end!

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« Reply #35 on: December 23, 2010, 01:13:30 AM »

Hey Wai Meng,

Sometimes I get quite confused by this karma malarkey...

On the one hand, we are told, "If you cannot help, at least do no harm", which - in my understanding - seems to imply that "neutral" karma isn't really detrimental to future causes. On the other hand, there's the idea that negative karma is actually better than neutral karma, since negative karma might at least inspire us through results to make a change for the better, whereas neutral karma simply has us plodding along.

Kind regards,
Sandy Smiley

thats actually positive karma as not doing harm itself is for the benefit of others. Neutral is more of a dont know dont care stance.
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« Reply #36 on: December 23, 2010, 02:02:53 AM »

karma malarkey...

      ma·lar·key Noun   /məˈlärkē
         
            Meaningless talk; nonsense
   
 WayBackHome, it seems you already have a wrong view in regards karma. You should correct it, listen to qualified explanation before forming opinions and examine if it fits with experience, keeping in mind the three main perversions of view that distort and otherwise shape our experience, this itself being a factor of karma worth contemplating. To do this you must have a firm distaste for perversions of view and pursue unbiased, undistorted truth with total intolerance for warping, white washing, generalizing, lying, selectivity, and all manner of deceptive tactics. To operate and understand under the influence of distortions is like driving blind folded, you will crash, you will cause harm, there should be no tolerance for it by practitioners of integrity.
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