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« on: March 19, 2010, 03:06:17 PM »

Question: is there a limit in practicing generosity? Is there a point where generosity can become detrimental, for example, when someone takes advantage of your generosity? Of course, we shouldn't give all our money and possessions away as that would be going to one extreme, but where is the nice middle of practicing generosity, but still taking care of yourself at the same time? Does it all depend on one's motivation when practicing generosity so that even if a person takes advantage of you, you still dedicate the merit of giving to gaining enlightenment for that person and all beings? Does this involve offering every benefit and happiness to other beings while taking upon ourselves all their harmful actions and sufferings?

Sorry, lots of questions, but I would appreciate any insight on this matter  Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2010, 08:35:06 PM »

Hope this helps...
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http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/dhp/dhp.12.budd.html
One truly is the protector of oneself; who else could the protector be?
With oneself fully controlled, one gains a mastery that is hard to gain.

Let one not neglect one's own welfare for the sake of another, however great.
Clearly understanding one's own welfare, let one be intent upon the good.

Maitri  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2010, 09:25:52 PM »

 Some things seem generous,.. but really aren't.
 Some things seem like penny pinching or miserliness,... but really aren't.

 How things seem don't really have anything to do with developing perfections.
 
Yes, wasting your things, wasting your time, wasting your energy, are detrimental. They don't necessarily have to dirty your mind, but practicing generosity doesn't mean you are to become a source of money for worthless activities, or a source of labor for worthless activities.

 
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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2010, 06:33:06 AM »

Hey,

If you don't mind, I'll separate your questions - it saves me from getting confused (well, moreso than I am usually Cheesy)

Is there a limit in practicing generosity?

Some people tend to equate generosity with money: "He's generous with his cash/She gives a lot of donations to the charity", but the definition of generosity gives a much wider scope of giving; essentially, being generous is to be unselfish, big-hearted, sharing, humble etc.  You use the example of not giving your money and material away, but that's not the whole of generosity - just a small part of it.  So, with that in mind, I'd say that there is no limit to being unselfish, big-hearted, sharing etc. - you can be these things 24 hours a day and not lose one cent or any material wealth, you see?  Of course, you might "lose" some time through sharing and helping others, but we're all losing time anyway, every second - it's what you do with it that counts.  And that doesn't mean you have to necessarily help to dig wells in Africa, or do anything massive like that.  Being generous is being there when someone needs you to listen, or washing the dishes for a relative without having to be asked, or cooking a meal for a friend.  Little things can just be as significant, if not moreso, than the big acts, you know?

Of course, we shouldn't give all our money and possessions away as that would be going to one extreme, but where is the nice middle of practicing generosity, but still taking care of yourself at the same time?

You're right.  How can you help others when you don't at first help yourself?  You can't help yourself if you give away all you have, because then you need the help from someone who is generous, and if they gave you all their things, they'd be in a poor state and the cycle would never end - you'd be no use to anyone! Cheesy

Does it all depend on one's motivation when practicing generosity so that even if a person takes advantage of you, you still dedicate the merit of giving to gaining enlightenment for that person and all beings?

Of course.  The very nature of becoming Buddha is to realise the nature of reality and that, ultimately, we are all interconnected, so you couldn't really say, "I dedicate any merits gained to all sentient beings, except for him over there, because that's three times now that I've loaned him $10, and he still hasn't repaid me grrrr!!!"

Being a Buddhist doesn't mean you become a doormat.  If you find yourself being taken advantage of time and time again, you should let go any anger or frustration you feel towards that person, but at the same time, if they come back for a fourth time to ask for $10, you can politely decline - you're allowed to say no, because in the end, you actually aren't helping the person who's taking advantage of you; you increase their dependancy on other people, and you strengthen their attitude that they don't ever have to take responsibility for themselves, because there will always be someone there to catch them if they fall and help them back up.

As for motivation, definitely it's vital to consider when you're doing something.  For example, if I say, "I've just given $500 to an animal shelter!", am I doing that to look good, or because I genuinely want to help other animals suffer less?  If I'm not doing it to look good, then why am I broadcasting the fact that I've given $500?  So yes, the shelter still gets the $500 regardless of my motivation behind it, but ultimately, I don't grow as a person - my compassion, kindness and true generosity doesn't evolve at all.

Does this involve offering every benefit and happiness to other beings while taking upon ourselves all their harmful actions and sufferings?

Sure, offer up every benefit and happiness that you can to others, but I'm not so sure (unless you're advanced in your practice) about taking on others' negativities and sufferings upon ourselves.  I don't know about you, but I can't handle the pain from a paper cut, let alone think about taking on the sufferings of anyone else! Cheesy

I'd say, at a basic level (which is where I'm at), it's important to develop compassion, kindness and generosity (in the proper, non-self destroying sense Smiley), and leave the handling of others' harmful actions to more advanced practitioners, until you advance to a higher level yourself. If you can't play golf, you can't teach others how to play golf, right?   So similarly, if we struggle to understand and handle our own harmful actions and suffering, how can we realistically expect to hand the actions and sufferings of others? 


I hope I've managed to answer your questions relatively well.  As with anything, Buddhist practice, or any spiritual practice for that matter, is a progressive thing and competence in practice, understanding, and the application of knowledge, comes with time, commitment and effort (and coffee, if you hope to read lots of books to study!).

Kind regards,
Sandy Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2010, 07:24:17 PM »

when done with the wrong mindset and wrong motivations/context, generosity is no better than stinginess or wastage.

better to give solely because the other person needs it and can benefit than to do so to make yourself feel good/look good.
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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2010, 02:43:05 AM »

Give at the level you 're at or comfortable with . Give so that you would like to give more in the future to start off with. Please do not give and then regret it , thats not giving , thats 'conditional giving' I don't know what other term to use. '

Though if you study the small scope part of the lam rim they talk about karma, karma is definite whatever actions we do will definitely come back to use, may not be now , could be later also.

One day we will be able to give our bodies away like it was vegetables Smiley , why coz then we know we can get an even better body doing what we did, we have so much conviction so whats there to worry about . Though not recommended for baby practitioners like me .  Though sometimes to grow or go to another level, it may hurt somewhat to give so much, but when I think about karma, I can't find any reason not to . You know what I mean, coz if I really believe in causes and effect if I give sincerely , whatever i give is bound to come back Smiley .

Sometimes to grow our heart needs to break Smiley , once it broken the heart is bigger and more encompassing and can take more and give more . 

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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2010, 12:25:25 PM »

Thank you everybody for your insight into this matter! I feel I can understand this perfection of generosity better thanks to all of your kindness! Give with a pure motivation and if it is truly helpful to the other person. It can be time, effort, money, in any helpful form. Also one should take care of one's own self as well in order to help others. Practice generosity at one's own level. Many thanks to this wonderful online Sangha!
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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2010, 08:57:32 AM »

You guys have told our friend that we charge for our advice, per word, right? Wink
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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2010, 11:14:15 AM »

You guys have told our friend that we charge for our advice, per word, right? Wink

lol!  Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2010, 06:10:39 PM »

There is no end to practicing generosity but we must have the skill to stop people who are taking advantage of our generosity from collecting further negative karma by their negative actions.
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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2010, 10:19:59 AM »

Ketchup,
Thats correct , it takes a very compassionate person to be the bad 'guy' to stop others from creating more negativity .  That person who stops others will have reached some degree of detachment that he/she does not care about their reputation or being popular. 
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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2010, 04:12:48 PM »

ahhh good point ketchup!
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« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2010, 11:22:39 PM »

Depends on how far one is prepared to Go?
Be a Buddha!
Be Wise!
Possession can clutter and confuse,
Most who do, possess one thing or another
Are distracted one way or another,
From Practicing the dharma!
That's why Monks do not have pockets in their Robes.
Only Tricky Monkeys wears clothes with lots of pockets!
Putting one thing in and taking out another.
Why?
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« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2010, 11:13:31 AM »

nice poem Thom!
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« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2010, 06:05:27 PM »

Depends on how far one is prepared to Go?
Be a Buddha!
Be Wise!
Possession can clutter and confuse,
Most who do, possess one thing or another
Are distracted one way or another,
From Practicing the dharma!
That's why Monks do not have pockets in their Robes.
Only Tricky Monkeys wears clothes with lots of pockets!
Putting one thing in and taking out another.
Why?

A samsaric fool no doubt
who thinks he is pulling the wool over others
not realising he is bound by the
chains of his own karmic misdeeds
and not seeing that all phenomena are but illusions
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