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SharpPudding
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« on: July 13, 2010, 07:02:34 PM » |
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If my Siamese fighting fish gets angry and tries to fight a brightly colored Buddha image is it making bad karma?
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awacs
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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2010, 09:25:59 AM » |
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If my Siamese fighting fish gets angry and tries to fight a brightly colored Buddha image is it making bad karma?
If it can conceptualize image as a Buddha, then your fish collect bad karma. |
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2010, 08:30:18 PM » |
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This is the oddest post I have ever seen. I have no idea, myself.
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to be hip is to be update and relevant.
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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2010, 02:17:11 AM » |
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I recall Rinpoche saying with an angry mind one sees the line drawing of a Buddha, one creates the causes to be enlightened in the future.
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'Fear is the absolute confusion between you and your projections'
'You are very preoccupied with getting what you want, so you will fail to see what is'
~ Chogyam Trungpa ~
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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2010, 04:55:12 AM » |
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I recall Rinpoche saying with an angry mind one sees the line drawing of a Buddha, one creates the causes to be enlightened in the future.
So when one sees the line drawing of a grasshopper, what kind of causes is he creating? |
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SharpPudding
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2010, 10:46:04 AM » |
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What if someone draws a Buddha but it looks like a grasshopper and someone sees it?
What if someone draws a grasshopper but it looks like a Buddha and someone sees it?
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awacs
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2010, 11:20:45 AM » |
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What if someone draws a Buddha but it looks like a grasshopper and someone sees it?
What if someone draws a grasshopper but it looks like a Buddha and someone sees it?
What I was trying to said is that if you cannot conceptualize image as a picture of a Buddha, you cannot create a bad karma of offending a Dharma jewel. Otherwise it would be self-existentially a virtuous object, in which case all the beings would be surrounded by countless virtue generating objects out of compassion of a Buddha. |
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2010, 04:11:46 PM » |
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What if someone draws a Buddha but it looks like a grasshopper and someone sees it?
What if someone draws a grasshopper but it looks like a Buddha and someone sees it?
What I was trying to said is that if you cannot conceptualize image as a picture of a Buddha, you cannot create a bad karma of offending a Dharma jewel. Otherwise it would be self-existentially a virtuous object, in which case all the beings would be surrounded by countless virtue generating objects out of compassion of a Buddha. Is it possible to offend a Buddha? I thought even just seeing a Buddha image was beneficial even if the veiwer didn't know what it was? Jon   |
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more arsehat that arhat ;-)
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2010, 11:12:02 PM » |
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A fish will always be a fish. While we're talking, we are all gonna die and go to the three lower realms and we need to become Buddha instead of talk about fish... Right? Urgently.
Once you go "Buddha" you never go back.
Hurry up so you can bail me out of Samsara,
-Josh
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"Hip means to know;
It's a form of intelligence;
to be hip is to be update and relevant.
Hop is a form of movement
You can't just observe a hop, you gotta hop up and do it.
Hip and Hop is more than music. Hip is the knowledge. Hop is the movement."
KRS-ONE & Marley Marl "Hip Hop Lives"
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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2010, 12:32:22 AM » |
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Is it possible to offend a Buddha?
No. But it is also not possible to kill him, and Devadatta ended up in great hells because of mere trying. I thought even just seeing a Buddha image was beneficial even if the veiwer didn't know what it was?
Then Buddha isn't compassionate. Or else, if Buddha image was self-existentially beneficial, all the hells would be filled with representations of Buddha. |
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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2010, 12:38:26 AM » |
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A fish will always be a fish. While we're talking, we are all gonna die and go to the three lower realms and we need to become Buddha instead of talk about fish...
I am not taking about fish, i am talking about inherent emptiness of the Buddha's image. Hurry up so you can bail me out of Samsara
Even if I were already a Buddha, this (teaching) would be a only way to help you. |
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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2010, 02:33:40 PM » |
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Is it possible to offend a Buddha?
No. But it is also not possible to kill him, and Devadatta ended up in great hells because of mere trying. I thought even just seeing a Buddha image was beneficial even if the veiwer didn't know what it was?
Then Buddha isn't compassionate. Or else, if Buddha image was self-existentially beneficial, all the hells would be filled with representations of Buddha. Buddha is compassionate, but Buddha won't do all the work for us! Seeing a Buddha image plants the seeds for us to find the Dharma in the future. |
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more arsehat that arhat ;-)
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« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2010, 09:06:08 PM » |
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We have to do the work.  But,.. a Buddha's influence is precious. |
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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2010, 12:15:56 AM » |
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Buddha is compassionate, but Buddha won't do all the work for us!
So what kind of work exactly is expected from hell beings in order to get help from a Buddha? Seeing a Buddha image plants the seeds for us to find the Dharma in the future.
So why then Buddhas don't emanate their images all over the hells, in order for these beings to meet Dharma in future? |
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« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2010, 07:28:42 AM » |
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The causes for us to come in contact with a Buddha are our own, we have to develop the perfections to come in contact with a Buddha. Once we have the teaching, which is the result of our good fortune (a Buddha being there) and our development, we have to put it into practice and get the results.
Hell beings are unfortunate, there's little they can do that I know of. What virtue can a being whose only experience is torment do? I honestly don't know much about hell. I can't exactly look out my window and see hell and make observations about it. But I know when I am in a lot of pain, it's hard to do good things, but bad things come easily.
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