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unofficialsamurai
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« on: February 15, 2011, 04:11:04 PM »

Is a Buddha subject to the laws of Karma? 

I remember hearing in a more recent interview with H.H The Dalai Lama that he does eat meat(on Doctors orders).  Now I'm sure he wouldn't collect any negative karma since he is enlightened, but why not?  If one action is committed by one person and the result is negative karma, but the same action is committed by a Buddha is the result positive karma, or no karma at all? 

If it is positive or no Karma at all, why?  is it because the intentions are different? or maybe the motives?  if that's the case, than what is Karma based upon; intention, or the action it self?

hmmm.....


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Rafael
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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2011, 06:17:56 PM »

 The reason Arhants, Buddhas, and high level Bodhisattvas don't create the karma to be reborn as a samsaric being is because of their view, they have realized emptiness and cannot be reborn as a samsaric being. That doesn't mean they can't be reborn at all, they can for non samsaric causes like the wish to benefit beings.


 Say you have the view of emptiness and someone stabs you? Will you see a being who was harmed? Will you see a being who stabbed? Will you have malice, fear, or any motive to flee or attack?  With the view of emptiness, seeing things precisely as they are you won't generate the kind of negative karma that someone who has a view of inherent existence will, you'll have no cause to be reborn as a wandering being.

 That is the explanation I have heard roughly.
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2011, 03:59:21 PM »

Hi Rafael,

It is my understanding that Enlightened beings are not subjected to karma. Karma is (roughly) created by thought (motivation), action and thought following the action and so, as you can see, every action stems from thought. Negative action stems from selfish thought, which doesn't resonate with Buddhas, and so how can they create negative karma?

The Dalai Lama (as a human being) is subject to the conditions that come with being human (i.e. he will fall ill, have conditions, and his body will eventually fail). He eats meat due to health reasons, but in an exchange with Paul McCartney, I'm sure (though don't quote me!) that he said that he would look into other means after McCartney pointed out the various ways all nutrients from meat can be consumed without the aid of animal products.

It is said that highly attained monks who eat meat can actually bless the animal the meat came from, though I'm not entirely sure/convinced of this, but then again, I don't totally dismiss it either.

Meat eaters usually eat meat from attachment than from anything else. The Dalai Lama, I would think, is not attached to eating meat and so again, this shows the complete lack of negative thought on his part and therefore, no negative karma.

I should add my usual disclaimer that I eat meat and that I don't actually believe there is negative karma caused by meat-eating, outside having an animal killed specifically for one's own consumption, or killing an animal directly. However, I have to stress that I could be wrong and it's entirely my own opinion - nothing concrete.

I hope this gives you a little more understanding. If not, I apologise for the confusion! Cheesy

Kind regards,
Sandy Smiley
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