About Spiritnoname

[spiritnoname]

Spiritnoname:

You want to know when you do something wrong?

You do something wrong every time you trot out your latest notion of cute when others are trying to discuss something other than you.

You do this constantly and I see it getting on the nerves of others.

It doesn't bother me.  And it doesn't interest me.  You should understand that too:  when you trot out "cute" you're a bore.

Now this thread is about the monks; it is not about you and it was never about you.  If you want to talk about you, then start a new thread and post away.

Don't be surprised, though, if no one responds and, after a week or so, no one even bothers to look.

Hey, you asked:  let me know when I do something wrong.  I answer:  every time you write about you.   Forget about you.  Totally forget about you.

Then hit the keyboard.

You just might say something.

Scott

 I don't claim to be omniscient, and honestly I think I must have some sort of major hindsight to not notice this flaw that people point out about me. I apparently am self absorbed or something and talk about myself instead of what everyone else wants to talk about. Scott said to make a thread about myself if I wanted to talk about myself. And as I think that by knowing what I do wrong I can reform I'm making a thread just for this particular flaw.

 What does it mean to trot out cute? 
 How did I twist the monk thread to be about me?

If I were a Dharmapala, I would protect them if they had something worth protecting or were aspiring to something worth protecting.  I would protect them just because they are monks for now, but do what it takes to get them in shape for practicing Dharma by kicking their butts immediately when they do something wrong instead of having them wait until later when they've forgotten what they did. I'd probably find some way of encouraging them too without distracting them, maybe show up as a really ugly undesirable person and tell them I appreciate what they're doing, maybe give them some disgusting but encouraging cookies lol. 

 I see this, I was talking about me, but also from what I think is the perspective of the Dharmapala. The next three posts of mine were responses in regard to Joey's response to the quote directly above.

 You know, reading through my posts on the Monks thread it is becoming obvious to me that I do talk about myself in the posts in addition to the topic. But in defense of my posts in the Monks thread I'll say that everything to my knowledge has been relevant in some way to the topic or begging for explanation except for, "I'd probably find some way of encouraging them too without distracting them, maybe show up as a really ugly undesirable person and tell them I appreciate what they're doing, maybe give them some disgusting but encouraging cookies lol. "

[goat]

 i was born a poor white child in the appalachian hills,, I was born at home on a piece of land owned by a church, i like to tell people that i was born on holy land. all throughout my youth i meditated as a way to put my mind out of a troubled childhood..like i said i was poor and my father was a alcoholic, i would practice my breathing for hours, i talked with a hindu dr today and asked him about malas..he was wearing one of course..it was made of rudraksh seeds, i swear the guy has not aged in the last 4 years...if anything he looks 10 years younger...i say his mala is very strong.  wait, ..............................whats the topic?   

[spiritnoname]

i was born a poor white child in the appalachian hills,, I was born at home on a piece of land owned by a church, i like to tell people that i was born on holy land. all throughout my youth i meditated as a way to put my mind out of a troubled childhood..like i said i was poor and my father was a alcoholic, i would practice my breathing for hours, i talked with a hindu dr today and asked him about malas..he was wearing one of course..it was made of rudraksh seeds, i swear the guy has not aged in the last 4 years...if anything he looks 10 years younger...i say his mala is very strong.  wait, ..............................whats the topic?   

hehe something about me. I think I enjoy hearing about you more though 

[Joey]

I don't claim to be omniscient, and honestly I think I must have some sort of major hindsight to not notice this flaw that people point out about me. I apparently am self absorbed or something and talk about myself instead of what everyone else wants to talk about. Scott said to make a thread about myself if I wanted to talk about myself. And as I think that by knowing what I do wrong I can reform I'm making a thread just for this particular flaw.

If dont claim to be omniscient, then stop making posts that imply that you are. Start listening to people. Like I said many times, FORGET ALL THAT YOU KNOW. YOUR IDEAS, CONCEPTS AND PHILOSOPHY ARE ALL WRONG. After being chatisized by Pilino and Scott, now do you believe me? you arrogantly asked me for proof in msn. Here is all the proof you need.

Learn to listen. You dont say "oh, I want a guru" but you act like a know-it-all smartass and debate with him just to show him how much you know. You dont ask to show off, by providing an answer when someone replies, you ask to find out.

You learned dharma to get attention. you didint use it to help you solve your problems. you used it to get attention. That is why all the dharma that you have read and received so far have been corrupted and twisted into crap.

 What does it mean to trot out cute? 
 How did I twist the monk thread to be about me?

trot out cute means making completely unrelated statements to the topic and pretend to understand when yuo dont. you blurt out quotes from here and there to show how much you have read but you dont know how to use them and it shows that you're nothing but an idiot.

If I were a Dharmapala, I would protect them if they had something worth protecting or were aspiring to something worth protecting.  I would protect them just because they are monks for now, but do what it takes to get them in shape for practicing Dharma by kicking their butts immediately when they do something wrong instead of having them wait until later when they've forgotten what they did. I'd probably find some way of encouraging them too without distracting them, maybe show up as a really ugly undesirable person and tell them I appreciate what they're doing, maybe give them some disgusting but encouraging cookies lol. 

 I see this, I was talking about me, but also from what I think is the perspective of the Dharmapala. The next three posts of mine were responses in regard to Joey's response to the quote directly above.

 You know, reading through my posts on the Monks thread it is becoming obvious to me that I do talk about myself in the posts in addition to the topic. But in defense of my posts in the Monks thread I'll say that everything to my knowledge has been relevant in some way to the topic or begging for explanation except for, "I'd probably find some way of encouraging them too without distracting them, maybe show up as a really ugly undesirable person and tell them I appreciate what they're doing, maybe give them some disgusting but encouraging cookies lol. "

there's a term for that: attention whoring. You want to get people's attention by posting crap and saying things like "if I was a dharma protector" or whatever shit like that. You love the attention that everyone here is giving you and you want more. So you post things like that to get attention so that people will say something to you. You want people to focus on you.

[spiritnoname]

I don't claim to be omniscient, and honestly I think I must have some sort of major hindsight to not notice this flaw that people point out about me. I apparently am self absorbed or something and talk about myself instead of what everyone else wants to talk about. Scott said to make a thread about myself if I wanted to talk about myself. And as I think that by knowing what I do wrong I can reform I'm making a thread just for this particular flaw.

If dont claim to be omniscient, then stop making posts that imply that you are. Start listening to people. Like I said many times, FORGET ALL THAT YOU KNOW. YOUR IDEAS, CONCEPTS AND PHILOSOPHY ARE ALL WRONG. After being chatisized by Pilino and Scott, now do you believe me? you arrogantly asked me for proof in msn. Here is all the proof you need.

Learn to listen. You dont say "oh, I want a guru" but you act like a know-it-all smartass and debate with him just to show him how much you know. You dont ask to show off, by providing an answer when someone replies, you ask to find out.

You learned dharma to get attention. you didint use it to help you solve your problems. you used it to get attention. That is why all the dharma that you have read and received so far have been corrupted and twisted into crap.

 What does it mean to trot out cute? 
 How did I twist the monk thread to be about me?

trot out cute means making completely unrelated statements to the topic and pretend to understand when yuo dont. you blurt out quotes from here and there to show how much you have read but you dont know how to use them and it shows that you're nothing but an idiot.

If I were a Dharmapala, I would protect them if they had something worth protecting or were aspiring to something worth protecting.  I would protect them just because they are monks for now, but do what it takes to get them in shape for practicing Dharma by kicking their butts immediately when they do something wrong instead of having them wait until later when they've forgotten what they did. I'd probably find some way of encouraging them too without distracting them, maybe show up as a really ugly undesirable person and tell them I appreciate what they're doing, maybe give them some disgusting but encouraging cookies lol. 

 I see this, I was talking about me, but also from what I think is the perspective of the Dharmapala. The next three posts of mine were responses in regard to Joey's response to the quote directly above.

 You know, reading through my posts on the Monks thread it is becoming obvious to me that I do talk about myself in the posts in addition to the topic. But in defense of my posts in the Monks thread I'll say that everything to my knowledge has been relevant in some way to the topic or begging for explanation except for, "I'd probably find some way of encouraging them too without distracting them, maybe show up as a really ugly undesirable person and tell them I appreciate what they're doing, maybe give them some disgusting but encouraging cookies lol. "

there's a term for that: attention whoring. You want to get people's attention by posting crap and saying things like "if I was a dharma protector" or whatever shit like that. You love the attention that everyone here is giving you and you want more. So you post things like that to get attention so that people will say something to you. You want people to focus on you.

 If all the people in the world turned against me and told me I was wrong it would not prove it so. I've been in the situation that people mob against me insisting I am wrong many times, that does not make them right and me wrong. Truth is not a majority vote, if it were then the greatest achievements of your life would be rated by the majority of the people you come in contact with and not the actuality of whether or not it is truly beneficial in some way.

 I do listen, if I did not I couldn't debate. I don't debate when someone is giving a teaching, that would be ridiculous, I debate when there is something I don't understand after the teaching. Why? Because by bringing up the subject of my doubt to the teacher, if they are a capable teacher, they can immediately end that doubt. Do you think it is anything but disrespect to have a close relationship to a teacher and never tell them that you don't understand what they're saying or that you secretly think they are wrong?
 If your teacher teaches you not to debate, then there is a reason, and you should follow that since you trust in that teacher. But no one I have decided to learn from and take direct advice from has instructed me in that way.

 I learned what I know of Dharma because there was no other option, it was that or die without anything.

 I'm curious, have you, Joey, and Scott, actually looked at my conduct as a Buddhist in this forum?
 

[Joey]

If all the people in the world turned against me and told me I was wrong it would not prove it so. I've been in the situation that people mob against me insisting I am wrong many times, that does not make them right and me wrong. Truth is not a majority vote, if it were then the greatest achievements of your life would be rated by the majority of the people you come in contact with and not the actuality of whether or not it is truly beneficial in some way.

 I do listen, if I did not I couldn't debate. I don't debate when someone is giving a teaching, that would be ridiculous, I debate when there is something I don't understand after the teaching. Why? Because by bringing up the subject of my doubt to the teacher, if they are a capable teacher, they can immediately end that doubt. Do you think it is anything but disrespect to have a close relationship to a teacher and never tell them that you don't understand what they're saying or that you secretly think they are wrong?
 If your teacher teaches you not to debate, then there is a reason, and you should follow that since you trust in that teacher. But no one I have decided to learn from and take direct advice from has instructed me in that way.

 I learned what I know of Dharma because there was no other option, it was that or die without anything.

 I'm curious, have you, Joey, and Scott, actually looked at my conduct as a Buddhist in this forum?
 

Still defending yourself against people who actually practice and understand the dharma, and actually see results? People who are not depressed and whining about their moms kicking them out of the house? people who are not blurting out crap from their asses in a lame attempt at impressing people? You want proof? we have been proving all your twisted ideas wrong. What else do you want? Rinpoche to personally post and tell you that you are wrong? And yet you go "oohh.....I'm RIGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHT"

If you were such a good buddhist, you would not draw the ire of so many people. If you understand that knowledge is for APPLICATION and not for SHOWING OFF, perhaps you would not have irked so many people. We're not christians telling you not to worship the buddha. we're fellow buddhists who see flaws in you and is attempting to make you understand. The only reason why you're asking for proof is because you refuse to see that you are wrong, and no one can do that except yourself. And because of that you will never learn, your wrong views will build up, you'll eventually teach incorrect dharma as a charlatan teacher who will lead all your diciples to hell (hopefully you wont, but you seem to be heading there)

keep this up and you'll sever all the connections to any dharma friends who actually take the time to share dharma with you.  the reason for a teacher to exist is because you need to know and learn, so if you keep thinking that you are right, what teacher do you need?

dont give me bullshit here. you did not debate to understand. you debated to WIN. That's yet another lie you tell everyone. That's the problem with you. You dont even know yourself and you blurt out nonsense about the dharma. Your words say one thing but your actions say something else. People who do not understand do not do this:

in an MSN conversation:
you: is there such thing as right view?
me: (explains)
you: you're wrong. according to the diamond cutter sutra, there is no such thing as right view

so you see, you're trying to prove yourself. You were not trying to learn. You did not have doubts. All you wanted to do was challenge me. Whether or not you're debating is not wrong, but your obvious, blatant motivation in doing so is. If all you wanted to do was know more/clear doubts, YOU ASK QUESTIONS. Where is the need for debate when you're not trying to prove yourself to be a smartass?

Looking at you in a buddhist way? HA. Are you joking? Do you even know what the buddhist way is? You have no blinking idea on what buddhism is. Your buddhist way = us conforming to how you think. You think that your mind is so powerful to be able to understand everything? Well why are you still in samsara? it shows that you know nothing, all your ideas are taking you to the wrong direction, and you're on a one way street to being a nonbuddhist or a buddhist that destroys the teachings.

[spiritnoname]

Joey do you mind if I post the conversation where I mentioned the Diamond Cutter Sutra? I can send a copy of the portion of the conversation I think is relevant or even the whole conversation to better support the quotes in context  to you first if you'd like.

[Joey]

Joey do you mind if I post the conversation where I mentioned the Diamond Cutter Sutra? I can send a copy of the portion of the conversation I think is relevant or even the whole conversation to better support the quotes in context  to you first if you'd like.

I'm not increasing your ego. there is no need for that. I dont need whatever crap context. The moment you said "you're wrong" that's all the context I need about the level of your mind and your intentions.

[Scott Hutton]

Footnote to Joey's words:

If you insist up shoving the Diamond Cutter Sutra up all our bagpipes, then please be reminded that it never tires of pointing out, again and again, that the notion of an individual being, a life span, and a life...is total delusion.

There is no "you" to be right.  Get the fuck over it.

And for your own good use not the sutras as fundamentalist Christians use the Bible or fundamentalist Muslims use the Koran.

You are courting spiritual disaster, I don't care if you are a pup.

Now do yourself a favor:  find a copy of the Diamond Sutra.  Read the sutra once a day for 1,000 days.  Read it, don't interpret it or take extracts to justify your latest etheric jerk off.  Read the goddamn sutra; let it in. THEN, and only then, wave it in our faces.

You are NOT the 5th Zen Patriarch, who needed to hear the sutra read only once.  You're a schmuck who will be lucky if even 1,000 readings gets you out of the bog.

Scott

[spiritnoname]

Footnote to Joey's words:

If you insist up shoving the Diamond Cutter Sutra up all our bagpipes, then please be reminded that it never tires of pointing out, again and again, that the notion of an individual being, a life span, and a life...is total delusion.

There is no "you" to be right.  Get the fuck over it.

And for your own good use not the sutras as fundamentalist Christians use the Bible or fundamentalist Muslims use the Koran.

You are courting spiritual disaster, I don't care if you are a pup.

Now do yourself a favor:  find a copy of the Diamond Sutra.  Read the sutra once a day for 1,000 days.  Read it, don't interpret it or take extracts to justify your latest etheric jerk off.  Read the goddamn sutra; let it in. THEN, and only then, wave it in our faces.

You are NOT the 5th Zen Patriarch, who needed to hear the sutra read only once.  You're a schmuck who will be lucky if even 1,000 readings gets you out of the bog.

Scott

 Interesting you take that position when you don't know who I am or even what was said in the conversation where I mentioned the Diamond Cutter Sutra. In actually I didn't even quote anything from the Diamond Cutter Sutra, but suggested that if quotes were needed to support my statements that was where Joey could look. Though, looking back, maybe I should not have mentioned the statement that truth is nothing you can see. Not that it is not true, but not the most skillful of replies I could have made in conversation.   

 Not for my sake, but for others including yourself. Try not to judge people by how they appear to you, because it is only an appearance. I may well be just as you see me, but that is not for me to say, I do not even trust my own sight, much less yours. I do ask for criticism sincerely though as I think is beneficial. Valid criticism of course is preferred, because if I do make note of what I see as a flaw I maybe can correct it from there and your valid criticism may bring that to my attention. I might encourage you all to do the same, but I'm not your teacher, do not know your capacities, have not perfected methods, and don't have enough experience to give instructions that are fail safe.

 Until I'm capable of teaching, I'll just have to do my best to teach by example lol. 

[Joey]

Interesting you take that position when you don't know who I am or even what was said in the conversation where I mentioned the Diamond Cutter Sutra. In actually I didn't even quote anything from the Diamond Cutter Sutra, but suggested that if quotes were needed to support my statements that was where Joey could look. Though, looking back, maybe I should not have mentioned the statement that truth is nothing you can see. Not that it is not true, but not the most skillful of replies I could have made in conversation.   

 Not for my sake, but for others including yourself. Try not to judge people by how they appear to you, because it is only an appearance. I may well be just as you see me, but that is not for me to say, I do not even trust my own sight, much less yours. I do ask for criticism sincerely though as I think is beneficial. Valid criticism of course is preferred, because if I do make note of what I see as a flaw I maybe can correct it from there and your valid criticism may bring that to my attention. I might encourage you all to do the same, but I'm not your teacher, do not know your capacities, have not perfected methods, and don't have enough experience to give instructions that are fail safe.

 Until I'm capable of teaching, I'll just have to do my best to teach by example lol. 

what else is there to see than your sheer arrogance? people do not quote sutras to win a debate, at least not in the way you did. Arya Nagajurna says that the body language of a person can show his/her true intentions. Well, this is the internet so instead of body language, your choice of words, the way you say it and your mannerisms reflect clearly who you are.

you should not have what? you should not have been an arrogant prick in quoting sutras and correcting people. It just shows how bloody arrogant you are.

still trying to deny what you are? what you did was nothing skillful at all and was done out of blatant arrogance. Do skillful people go "are you sore because I corrected you?" or "haha, you sound like a christian preacher"? where's the humility? Is there humbleness in your desperate attempt to probe me wrong in both MSN conversations, and here?

Check your mind. If you still claim to have good intentions, give yourself a tight slap so that you can wake up from your dream that you are a mahasiddha. because you are nothing but an arrogant little boy with low self confidence trying to impress others with the dharma instead of practicing it.

Being persistant and standing on your ground does not mean you're right, it just means you're hopelessly stubborn.

who are you to give instructions? are you a buddha? did you have visions or your ego's far too big to handle?

I have to make sure that whatever is posted here is right and refute it if it is wrong because that's my responsibility as the administrator. And for that I need to push myself to practice harder than you guys. Be extra mindful and cautious. But you're diffrent. You just blurt out whatever to impress people and when people are not taken in you start challenging them. Is that the conduct of a buddhist practitioner, or is that the conduct of some smartass kid who thinks he knows everything after reading a few sutras and is buddhist because he's a total loser in his life and no one else would accept him?

I have went thru a lot of Rinpoche's work, and NONE of them ever mentions that he needs to debate with Zong Rinpoche, his root guru about anything. When someone shares the dharma to you, is there need to debate? why cant you just ask and drop the obsession with trying to prove people wrong? the minute you try to prove people wrong is the minute you are debating to win and to increase your ego, and that you are not here to learn but to win. You might have you doubts, but you're reinforcing them instead of clearing them. Is this the way?

[Crazywisdom]

Spiritnoname,

If you stand really close to a wall, picture it now, all you can see is a brick. nothing more, just a brick.
Take a step or two back and you will see the mortar, and maybe a window or door that you never new was there because you were looking at it too closely.

Take a step back.

Think about what peolpe tell you for a day or two,  then get back to them if you still feel the need.

There is no prize for being (or thinking you are) more enlightened

With care,

Jon

p.s. that button on your keyboard, yes you know the one, between the 'u' and the 'o', stop using it so much...... 

[goat]

 No matter what I have posted that might have hurt your feelings...I do wish you a happy 20th birthday, enjoy your youth, it flies by.  om mani peme hung

[Joey]

happy birthday spirit!

I hope you have grown more maturely and reflect your actions more because that is a main part of buddhist practice!

[spiritnoname]

 Thanks Joey and Goat! I think I may have become more mature today already! :p My feelings aren't hurt, you guys seem really kind to me. Thanks for putting up with me! lol