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it's more like a state of mind for me. It's the difference between whether or not you focus only on the superficial things in this life or you look further to life than to just eat, sleep, work (for your own happiness alone) and have that repeat itself for xxxx lifetimes. Or is there more to life than yourself?
samsara is when you care only for yourself I feel, and nivarna is the opposite.
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If you propose to speak, always ask yourself, is it true, is it necessary, is it kind." ~Buddha
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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2009, 10:23:46 PM » |
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Spirit,
I got no idea what you're on about, please get a copy of the Lam Rim and read it.
Are you posting for the sake of posting a thread or posting a message?
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Wai Meng
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'Fear is the absolute confusion between you and your projections'
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« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2009, 10:41:04 PM » |
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Spirit,
I got no idea what you're on about, please get a copy of the Lam Rim and read it.
Are you posting for the sake of posting a thread or posting a message?
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Wai Meng
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If you propose to speak, always ask yourself, is it true, is it necessary, is it kind." ~Buddha
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« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2009, 09:42:07 PM » |
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I've listened to the Lam Rim teachings, I was just replying in a weird way lol.
Samsara is constantly moving and suffering, never having real peace that comes from stillness.
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« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2009, 01:13:36 AM » |
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I've listened to the Lam Rim teachings, I was just replying in a weird way lol.
Samsara is constantly moving and suffering, never having real peace that comes from stillness.
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If you propose to speak, always ask yourself, is it true, is it necessary, is it kind." ~Buddha
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« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2009, 03:35:12 PM » |
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The 'technical' definition of samsara is the 'cycle of existence in which one is endlessly propelled by negative emotions and the karmic force of one's actions from one state of rebirth to another'.
Most associate it with physical and mental pain. Physical pain can be overcome so I think samsara is more aptly associated with mental suffering. This arises from the 3 'poisonous' state sof mind - ignorance, attachment and anger (commonly depicted by the pig, the rooster and the snake).
Ignorance gives rise to ego which gives rise to attachment which gives rise to anger.
This is how I see it:
IGNORANCE (Ego) - we feel we are independent and to the extent of self importance - attaching to the 'I'. Then everything is about me,me,me, I, I, I. My beautiful car, house, girlfriend, boyfriend, money, success, comfort life etc.. As a consequent, we become ATTACHED to our possessions, our pride, our comfort and then we FEAR losing our possessions etc.. and hence as a defensive mechanism, we become ANGRY. So goes the cycle - so remains in SAMSARA, forever, unless we take responsibility and positive steps and change by applying the teachings of the Buddha.
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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2009, 02:46:22 PM » |
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Samsara: Your standing in it! (Or sitting depending)
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Re-thinking things on the advice of a wise teacher.
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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2009, 07:33:32 AM » |
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Right Answer ! IMHO
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« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2009, 01:35:07 AM » |
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Yuzheng Can explain in more relational manner or lay man . nagarjuna's treatises are still quite beyond me .  |
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« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2009, 05:40:40 PM » |
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Thank you Yuzheng for the link to this video... Yeah I think only a highly attained lama like Rinpoche himself only could explain this topic clearly... However, I thought it is no harm for us to try to understand such topics at our own level as we may meet someone who honestly wanted to know about it but has no resources or interest to watch Rinpoche's videos. So, at least we can give some entering levels explanation to such people without quoting words of Mahasiddha that we ourselves don't even understand... Dharma is not some kind of 'high up above' fancy doctrine that we can utter passages to impress others. Dharma is about how we can use our own understanding of it to imply to our day to day dealings with others and with life itself. I apologize if I am not skillful enough and may have offended you or anyone else. I don't mean to be rude, just wish to put my points across to you. I still have so so much to learn... no hard feeling ya...  |
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« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2009, 06:50:29 PM » |
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I've listened to the Lam Rim teachings, I was just replying in a weird way lol.
Samsara is constantly moving and suffering, never having real peace that comes from stillness.
stillness is not enlightenment. it is just stillness. That is true. Enlightenment is just a bit more than nibbana, or at least it is from a Mahayana perspective, I don't know about Theraveda perspective. |
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« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2009, 07:03:43 AM » |
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A slightly different angle to this - are all the great Buddhist masters like HE Tem Tulku Rinoche, HH The Dalai Lama etc, in samsara?
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« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2009, 09:49:26 AM » |
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Yu Zheng
If I am so wise and learned i won't need to ask you .
The point is this , we all have a habit of quoting this or that, or as my dharma instructor say we borrow wisdom.
Which is very dangerous , as we probabaly have not spent the time mulling over or contemplating the subjects, we heard about this or that and we start quoting it .
Everybody who is intellectual loves to quote emptiness or heart sutra , but do they even have genuine realizations of the topic. If one does then one can break it down and explain to any lay person about .
I'm not trying to put you down , you check what I have said does it make sense?
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« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2009, 10:15:32 AM » |
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yu zheng, i agree with wmw111, you have no wisdom, you borrow it from books only just as their Dharma Instructor told wmw111 who you really are. you don't know dharma at all.
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« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2009, 10:49:14 AM » |
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yuzheng, usually people who don't have much knowledge or wisdom, they quotes. I am sorry, you have to face it. it is better that you face you are a person who don't have any knowledge and wisdom in you. take care. actually, i don't have too. we are the same, so don't feel bad. cheer up. |
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