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RyanMurphy
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« on: June 26, 2007, 09:45:19 PM »

I am in a very difficult situation right now and I am trying my hardest to do the right thing, but I'm not entirely sure what the right thing to do is in this case. Here is what's going on:
My parents are currently divorced and have been so for about the last 6 months, my father is in the national guard, (I live in America, for those of you who don't know) and will be shipping out to Iraq in January.
2 months ago, I let my dad know that I was planning on going a to a concert in Detroit, about 4 hours north of where I live. every time that I've seen him since, I've been sure to remind him of my plan; however, he has decided in the last two weeks that he wants to take my little sister and I camping for a while in East Harbor, about 4 hours east of here, and 1 hour and 45 minutes away from Detroit. I explained to him I still plan to go to this concert and that we need to work something out. He then told me that we could work something out, and that he might not even get the week off of work, therefore, we wouldn't go camping. So I've been jerking my friends around to every change that he makes in our plans. Earlier this evening, (I'm posting this after 3 hours of tending a fire and thinking about this deeply) I got an email from him telling me that if there were any conflicts between our plans, he could just tell me "to hell with the concert" and then take me camping anyway. What he wants to do is have my friends, come out to East harbor and pick me up, then go to Detroit, and finally head back to East harbor to drop me off. This can't happen though, because we are picking up two people on the way there, and the guy that's driving has a stop that he's got to make on the way to Detroit.
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So that's the situation. What I need advice in regards to is: How should I tell my father that I don't want to hurt him, and in fact want a real relationship with him without ruining the tenuous bond between the two of us.

I've looked at my legal rights and I could tell him to "shove it up his ass" or something of the like and never talk to him again. On the other hand, I could just concede to him, but by doing so, I think that apart from throwing away something that I really want, I am telling him that forcing your way onto other people is O.K..

After about 3 hours of reflecting on everything that I knew that related to this, and his history with his father (who was a real monster, and the two of them haven't spoken for 8 years), I think I may have come up with a solution in the middle way. I'm going to send him an email saying the following:

Dad,
      When I got your email, my first instinct was to pick up the phone, give you a call and tell you to go to hell. Obviously, I haven't done that, rather, I've been thinking a lot about how we could work things out. I want us to work things out because when I look at how your father took the way your relationship with him ended, I see a lot of pain. I don't want to cause that in you; however, you must understand that while your desire to spend time with me is valid and I understand it truly, you are trying to make things happen with a very heavy hand and by doing so, making life difficult for a lot of people.
     It seems like every time I try to make a compromise with you, or nail down some form of a plan, you either give me an answer that has no substance, or procrastinate actually making a decision. As a result of you not making a firm decision on your plans, I have not been able to make things work out in a way that is conducive to both of us. So now, I am giving you the best solution that I have open to me.
    I am going to go to the concert as I have planned to for the last two and a half months. I would have my friends pick me up at East Harbor, but we are picking up two other people on our way to Detroit, and if we come out to East Harbor and then head to Detroit from the east, we won't be able to get them. Unfortunately, this means that I cannot come camping with you, because in doing that, I would be screwing several other people out of their plans for your last minute decisions.
   I'm sorry that things have worked out to where our plans cannot work together, but there's nothing I can do about this. I'm not going to give up this concert, you know how much it means to me. I can't let myself and other people get screwed over because you didn't make your plans in a timely fashion, like I asked you to do MANY times. Again, I'm very sorry that we can't both get what we want in this situation.
Your son,
Ryan
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Any advice, comments, anything?
I ask this especially to Rinpoche because I know that he went through something fairly similar with his mother.
Please give me insights to the best of your knowledge.
Ryan Murphy
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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2007, 10:44:01 PM »

You might want to add that you love him and that you do want to spend time with him, but of course don't want to break your plans which are so important to you.  Perhaps you could go to Detroit with your friends and then he could pick you up after the concert and bring you to the campground or something like that.

Your dad is also probably going through a lot of pain at this time, Divorce is never easy on anyone and neither is going to war.  You definitely want to make it clear to your father that you love him and the fact that you are going to the concert does not make that any less true.  Remember for yourself to try to patch things up with him before he leaves for Iraq as there is a very small but real chance that he may not come back.
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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2007, 10:21:03 AM »

Hi Ryan
Just a few thoughts, please disregard if of no use  Wink
Which would you choose to do if you found you only had a week to live?
Is going to the concert a "safe" choice as no one there is going to make you feel bad? (i have a sometimes difficult relationship with my father Sad)
If your friends can't understand you needing to spend time with your father, a father who is shiping out to Iraq, then maybe they aren't your friends.
If you do decide to go to the concert, give him a firm date that you can spend time with him, even if its just hanging around at home, cook a meal, have a convesation.
Oh and as Eric says tell him you love him.

Jon
 
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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2007, 04:22:39 PM »

I like Jon's advice:  tell him you love him.

Then tell him you're going to the concert.

Then tell him you love yourself too, and therefore, he should not treat you like a chess piece, to be moved from one square to another as necessary.

That he's shipping out to that insane mayhem in Iraq, adding to the horror, was his choice, not yours.  There are seeds of a huge guilt trip here; don't let them sprout.

His relationship to his own father was, to put it charitably, strained.  Probably his father's relationship to his father was strained - this sounds like some sort of family karma (the "sins of the fathers" as Yeshua ben Yosif put it) and I think you would do well not to buy into it.  Liberate yourself; no one else can do that for you.

Then, whenever he fusses and fires guilt rockets, just tell him you love him, and that lives are like rivers - they all must take their separate course.

Then tell him you love him again.

Jon seems to know a thing or two about relating....I bow to that.

Scott

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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2007, 08:04:10 AM »

Well, we talked on the phone last night, and managed to come to an agreement on a plan that could work for both of us.
Unsurprisingly enough, he did try to guilt trip me, almost every 3rd sentence he said to me had overtones of a guilt trip, but it all worked out.
I cannot express how thankful I am to you guys for your advice and thoughts, I really really appreciate it.
Thank you all,
Ryan Murphy
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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2007, 05:29:30 PM »



I suspect your father has a deep love and respect for you, so profound he can admit it to himself only, and then only during the wee hours of the night.   The notion of outing that love and respect simply won't compute; outing the love is not what the family has been doing - well guess what, perhaps you took rebirth in this family to bust up that frozen flow?  If so, that in itself is quite a bodhisattvic gift.

Leave it at that; allow the space.  He needs space too. 

And remember to insist that he allow you your space.

Without the space for it, how can there be love?

So delighted to see you dudes  workin' it out,

Scott

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