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« on: August 19, 2009, 05:03:41 AM » |
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I just got this question from someone they were saying that they read in the 'Tibetan Book of Living and Dying' that one is able to choose one's parents when one is still in bardo.
I'm sure highly realized beings can do it but what about normal schmucks like me ?
Any thoughts on this?
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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2009, 12:17:29 PM » |
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I remeber watching a program about a Lama who at the request of some villagers said that he would be re born in thier village. But for people at my level  I don't think it is such a definate decision, for the likes of me i have chosen my parents but the choice was made by my past lives actions and my state of mind at death, much as a bad diet would lead to health problems or a good diet a long life. Everything we do daily chooses our future parents and lives   Jon  |
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more arsehat that arhat ;-)
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wmw111
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2009, 08:26:25 PM » |
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Yes I reckon , ordinary folks like myself got no choice but propelled by our karmic actions and imprints.
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'You are very preoccupied with getting what you want, so you will fail to see what is'
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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2009, 12:01:34 AM » |
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The bardo is different depending on your karma, level of skill, and method.
I imagine for some people it is like seeing a bunch of deserts, the ones you have tried, liked, and by that stored that attachment for, you'll reach out to. No choice, just past karma and mindless reaction.
Other people come to the desserts on a specific diet, maybe with a personal trainer, and they have all sorts of skills so they don't get dragged into mindless reaching out.
I know my mind, I couldn't control my rebirth as it is right now. I read if you can retain presence in your sleep it's a good sign you can navigate the bardo.
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2009, 08:10:18 PM » |
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I read if you can retain presence in your sleep it's a good sign you can navigate the bardo.
Hey Spirit, did I tell you I love your photo? You got some artsy fartsy in you I think. Anyway, what did you mean by the above? Do you mean being able to be aware of when you are dreaming? I find that sometimes I have an awareness that I may be dreaming. I know this by slapping myself or pinching myself and because I can't feel it - I get this sense that I am dreaming. I heard you should do that in your dream to get some consciousness of it. My sense of attachment to the situation or the anxiety I may have been feeling kind of lessens a bit when this happens. It doesn't happen often enough. I'm not suggesting I could navigate my way around any bardo. I get lost in my own neighbourhood and I won't begin to tell how easily I become entrapped and re-directed by my own afflictive emotions. Is that what you meant tho?
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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2009, 01:58:43 PM » |
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Noticing your dreaming in the dream is definitely good I think because it goes hand in hand with noticing your situation in waking life.
But I think to navigate the bardo you need more than just that, you need to be able to retain awareness even when your gross mind is falling apart. When you sleep if you keep awareness you can actually watch the gross mind get lost and jumbled as it loses touch with external sensations from the body, then karmas come up and create new sources of sensation on which a gross mind can be temporarily established.
The gross mind isn't static, it's like trying to not get wet in a lake of floating logs, in order for you to stay out of the water you have to jump from one log to another, if you stay in one place your weight will push the log down or it rolls and you get wet, the gross mind always needs a sense object, but cannot stay on the same one for long.
When you sleep or die you lose the sense objects that have been supporting your gross mind, but then more come from your karmas and another gross mind arises.
That's what I've noticed from watching myself in sleep anyways, so it's probably close to how things really operate-.
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Joey
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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2009, 01:02:49 PM » |
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I just got this question from someone they were saying that they read in the 'Tibetan Book of Living and Dying' that one is able to choose one's parents when one is still in bardo.
I'm sure highly realized beings can do it but what about normal schmucks like me ?
Any thoughts on this?
here comes the gazillion dollar question: why? |
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If you propose to speak, always ask yourself, is it true, is it necessary, is it kind." ~Buddha
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wmw111
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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2009, 02:17:36 AM » |
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Why what? : )
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Joey
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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2009, 02:22:32 AM » |
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Why what? : )
why want to choose your parents? why need? |
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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2009, 02:12:04 PM » |
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I just got this question from someone they were saying that they read in the 'Tibetan Book of Living and Dying' that one is able to choose one's parents when one is still in bardo.
I'm sure highly realized beings can do it but what about normal schmucks like me ?
Any thoughts on this?
Due to our strong craving for samsaric pleasures and weak practice, we are just not up to it to choose where to take our rebirth. The very instant we detect "sexual" activity, we get attracted and sucked into it (so it goes, if we are near mating dogs, we will most likely become puppies). |
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wmw111
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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2009, 09:56:36 PM » |
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Joey,
They never replied to my question, but I would imagine they want to choose the best for themselves , and not have too much suffering why else would we want to choose our parents ? They were advocating they were back to learn a lesson if I recall correctly .
Greasypalm,
If your theory is correct , then if one dies in an area where there are more dogs than human, then human rebirth is virtually very difficult despite one practices ethical discipline .
I don't think thats right, our last thought has a great role to play in our rebirth , and where we leave from our body shows the sorts of rebirth we will be propelled to.
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'Fear is the absolute confusion between you and your projections'
'You are very preoccupied with getting what you want, so you will fail to see what is'
~ Chogyam Trungpa ~
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« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2009, 06:31:21 AM » |
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Joey,
They never replied to my question, but I would imagine they want to choose the best for themselves , and not have too much suffering why else would we want to choose our parents ? They were advocating they were back to learn a lesson if I recall correctly .
Greasypalm,
If your theory is correct , then if one dies in an area where there are more dogs than human, then human rebirth is virtually very difficult despite one practices ethical discipline .
I don't think thats right, our last thought has a great role to play in our rebirth , and where we leave from our body shows the sorts of rebirth we will be propelled to.
no no no! my question is what is your personal reason to choose your parents in your next rebirth? Because you want to look like brad pitt or what? sighhhhhhh |
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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2009, 10:56:04 PM » |
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i think that rebirth is entirely dependent on karma , there's no decision for us to make , our karma makes that decision for us however, beings who has 'realized' karma ... enlightened beings for exp.. that's another story altogether... |
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Joey
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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2009, 01:30:52 AM » |
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i think that rebirth is entirely dependent on karma , there's no decision for us to make , our karma makes that decision for us however, beings who has 'realized' karma ... enlightened beings for exp.. that's another story altogether... yes but since you're the one who created the karma, you can control where you want to be born through alot of ways. prayer is one of them. strong wishes is another. but of course, there is no need for me to choose my birth unless there is a very specific reason for it. |
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greasypalm
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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2009, 01:09:18 PM » |
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Joey,
They never replied to my question, but I would imagine they want to choose the best for themselves , and not have too much suffering why else would we want to choose our parents ? They were advocating they were back to learn a lesson if I recall correctly .
Greasypalm,
If your theory is correct , then if one dies in an area where there are more dogs than human, then human rebirth is virtually very difficult despite one practices ethical discipline .
I don't think thats right, our last thought has a great role to play in our rebirth , and where we leave from our body shows the sorts of rebirth we will be propelled to.
Ah - you did say 'normal schmucks' - so if a normal schmuck practiced well he is no nomal schmuck and yes, at the point of death, the last thought would help. |
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